Los piratas y los pirateados
En España, la historia de la televisión digital y el pay per view van íntimamente unidos. Eso demuestra la importancia del fútbol en nuestro país, aunque eso ahora no viene al caso. Años atrás existían dos plataformas digitales vía satélite, haciendose la competencia por la audiencia. Vía Digital estaba ganando la partida de los abonados a su competidora Canal Satélite Digital, y eso que ésta contaba con Canal + y los partidos de los Domingos.
De repente apareció el fenómeno del pirateo. Un pirateo un poco extraño, nadie era capaz de piratear por completo la emisión de la plataforma Canal Satélite Digital, pero sin embargo, se podía tener acceso gratuitamente a las taquillas, donde se podía ver el fútbol y las películas de pago de forma gratuita.
Los abonados al paquete básico de Canal Satélite se dispararon y empezó a recortar distancias con Vía Digital. Paralelamente, empezaron a aparecer los 'ataques'. Cada vez que se acercaba un partido importante, principalmente del Real Madrid o del Fútbol Club Barcelona, se invalidaban las claves que permitían el pirateo, de forma que los que veían por la cara esos partidos se los perdían, a no ser, claro, que los compraran ahora que tenían la posibilidad de hacerlo por estar abonados.
Estabamos en estas, cuando un gobierno supuestamente liberal, aprueba la fusión de las dos únicas plataformas digitales del país para crear un monopolio en manos del grupo Prisa, su enemigo acérrimo. Telefónica, que era el principal accionista de Vía Digital se desliga del proyecto para lanzarse a crear su propia plataforma a través de internet, un proyecto de futuro que tardaría unos años en materializarse.
Una vez que existe un monopolio, curiosamente, se refuerza el sistema de seguridad y se vuelve a una situación en la que la mayoría de los supuestos piratas ya no tiene la posibilidad de reventar las claves de seguridad, y el apagón de los partidos por la cara se hace realidad.
Hasta la llegada de la plataforma Imagenio, esta era la situación. Pero una vez que vuelve la competencia, milagrosamente los 'hackers' y 'crackers' malignos del pirateo se vuelven muy inteligentes y revientan otra vez las claves de seguridad, permitiendo piratear de nuevo los partidos de fútbol y garantizando los abonados de la plataforma llamada ahora Digital +.
Ayer, con la copa del Rey, nuevo ataque contra las claves disponibles, y una hora más tarde, ya estaban disponibles las nuevas claves milagrosamente.
¿Quien es el pirata? ¿Quien está siendo pirateado?
De repente apareció el fenómeno del pirateo. Un pirateo un poco extraño, nadie era capaz de piratear por completo la emisión de la plataforma Canal Satélite Digital, pero sin embargo, se podía tener acceso gratuitamente a las taquillas, donde se podía ver el fútbol y las películas de pago de forma gratuita.
Los abonados al paquete básico de Canal Satélite se dispararon y empezó a recortar distancias con Vía Digital. Paralelamente, empezaron a aparecer los 'ataques'. Cada vez que se acercaba un partido importante, principalmente del Real Madrid o del Fútbol Club Barcelona, se invalidaban las claves que permitían el pirateo, de forma que los que veían por la cara esos partidos se los perdían, a no ser, claro, que los compraran ahora que tenían la posibilidad de hacerlo por estar abonados.
Estabamos en estas, cuando un gobierno supuestamente liberal, aprueba la fusión de las dos únicas plataformas digitales del país para crear un monopolio en manos del grupo Prisa, su enemigo acérrimo. Telefónica, que era el principal accionista de Vía Digital se desliga del proyecto para lanzarse a crear su propia plataforma a través de internet, un proyecto de futuro que tardaría unos años en materializarse.
Una vez que existe un monopolio, curiosamente, se refuerza el sistema de seguridad y se vuelve a una situación en la que la mayoría de los supuestos piratas ya no tiene la posibilidad de reventar las claves de seguridad, y el apagón de los partidos por la cara se hace realidad.
Hasta la llegada de la plataforma Imagenio, esta era la situación. Pero una vez que vuelve la competencia, milagrosamente los 'hackers' y 'crackers' malignos del pirateo se vuelven muy inteligentes y revientan otra vez las claves de seguridad, permitiendo piratear de nuevo los partidos de fútbol y garantizando los abonados de la plataforma llamada ahora Digital +.
Ayer, con la copa del Rey, nuevo ataque contra las claves disponibles, y una hora más tarde, ya estaban disponibles las nuevas claves milagrosamente.
¿Quien es el pirata? ¿Quien está siendo pirateado?
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Esta más que claro: Un producto que no tiene su antónimo pirata, no interesa.
Lease: Juegos de PC o videoconsola, Cd´s software, Cd´s de música... bolsos Gucci, etc. O acaso alguien compra algún producto original que no tenga su versión pirata, antes que uno que no la tenga...? Que produce más deseo en el momento de la compra... Algo conocido por su "dificil" pirateo o aquel que nadie piratea por que nadie quiere?
Quien fue antes, el virus o el antivirus? Yo no lo tengo tan claro...
Si hay necesidad hay producto y ventas.
Me juego lo que querais a que D+ sin piratas se va directo a la banca rota.
Salu2!
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Anónimo, at 12:42 p. m.
Antes fue el virus. Puedo decirlo porque viví esa época. Los antivirus eran totalmente inexistentes cuando empesaron a aparecer los primeros virus. Las soluciones las hacíamos nosotros, en general manualmente usando el viejo "Norton Disk Edit", o el "PC Tools". A veces desarrollábamos algún programa en basic para automatizar las tareas de "desinfección", pero no había ningún producto comercial.
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Alejandro Vargas, at 3:07 p. m.
Está bastante claro, el mismo que sufre el pirateo de los partidos y películas, es el mayor beneficiado por la ingente cantidad de altas producidas a raíz de conocerse la facilidad para piratear la señal.
Esto mismo me recuerda a lo sucedido con la PSOne, cuando tenía que competir con Nintendo y la Sega Saturn... de repente, un día empieza a conocerse que por X€ le puedes poner un chip para jugar a un montón de juegos piratas... y entonces las ventas de la PSOne se disparan superando con creces a su competencia...
Y lo mismo vuelve a ocurrir con la PS2 unos años después.
Tan solo hay que escuchar a la gente diciendo, ahora que está a punto de llegar la PS3, que la comprarán porque 'seguro que sale algún chip para piratearla'.
De hecho, volviendo al tema del D+, recuerdo un día en un bar ante un Madrid-Barcelona. El dueño sacó su tarjeta pirateada, la puso y a los pocos minutos se dejó de ver al partido... claro, teniendo el bar lleno y ante la posibilidad de que la clientela se largue, cogió el teléfono para comprar el partido.
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Manu, The Java Real Machine, at 3:13 p. m.
Una reflexión interesante... pero poco precisa y muy mal informada.
Decir cosas como que "Los abonados al paquete básico de Canal Satélite se dispararon y empezó a recortar distancias con Vía Digital" es simplemente desconocer que el número de abonados a CSD siempre ha sido muy superior a VD (sea o no por este motivo que comentas).
Y no sé de dónde sacas que con las tarjetas pirata sólo se vieran las taquillas, las que yo usé permitían ver todo el paquete. El sistema de cifrado utilizado en aquel entonces era un coladero de seguridad.
Eso no quita para que tu reflexión sea interesante, sobre todo la casualidad de que, de repente, de nuevo sea posible piratear un sistema muy superior de cifrado como el actual de Digital Plus.
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Anónimo, at 3:17 p. m.
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Unknown, at 3:18 p. m.
Yo como pirata de Digital+ no veo el beneficio en favor de esta empresa al tener clientes de este estamento, es decir, piratas.
No entiendo cuando dicen que la pirateria favorede D+, de hecho yo no he pagado ninguna peseta a prisa por recibir su señal decodificada.
Solo veo efectos negativos con la piratería, después de usar de forma gratuita D+ me doy cuenta de que es una mierda auténtica, salvo los partidos, que no me gustan, aunque parece que al resto de la población sí. Jamás contrataría este servicio, es más, tengo la opcion de piratearlo pero ya ni me molesto en mirar las claves... sencillamente me la pela jeje.
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Unknown, at 3:27 p. m.
El principal problema que tenían estas plataformas era colocar un descodificador en cada casa. Con el tema del pirateo mucha gente lo compró que de otra forma ni se lo plantearían. Ahora que el público ya tiene el aparatito ya es más fácil que piques y te gastes unos eurillos para ver el partido.
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Unknown, at 3:28 p. m.
No hay que olvidar como beneficiarios (también) de esta situación a las marcas que a día de hoy venden decodificadores.
El hecho de que ahora el decodificador "oficial" de D+ ya no sea necesario para ver la programacón de esta plataforma, creo que ha cambiado mucho las cosas.
=> Con esta premisa la idea de abonarse al paquete básico y así tener acceso al decodificador para piratear el resto de la señal, tiene menos sentido.
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Unknown, at 4:02 p. m.
Como se indica en el comentario anterior la forma de piratear la nueva plataforma (D+) no beneficia en nada a sogecable ya que desde la implantación de ésta no es necesario utilizar el decodificador oficial, simplemente con adquirir un decodificador digital FTA (para canales libres), y cambiando su firmware ya tienes acceso total a la plataforma, tampoco es del todo cierto que el fenómeno pirata haya aparecido a la vez que Imagenio, en los tiempos en que telefónica no disponía aún de este y solo existía D+ como plataforma PPV, los ataques eran mucho (pero mucho), más prolongados en el tiempo, cuando ahora se producen semana sí y semana también.
Un saludo,
BonoMan
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Anónimo, at 4:14 p. m.
Realmente creo que estas bastante desinformado.
El pirateo a CSD a existido desde que un trabajador "quemado", saco documentacion interna del sistema de acceso condicional SECA a la luz publica, y con la ayuda de la comunidad hacker se consiguió emular el sistema. Otros estudios posteriores permitian la modificacion de las tarjetas originales del sistema de acceso condicional, pero esto fue a posteriori.
La otra plataforma digital, Via, usaba un metodo distinto de acceso condicional ( Nagra de Kudelsky ), esto tambien fue "roto" por la comunidad hacker, con la ayuda de trabajadores "quemados" que no dudaron en "sacar" cuanta informacion pudieron. España, Alemania e Italia, han estado a la cabeza del mundo del hack de la television digital junto a la gente de USA. ( dish network )
Es totalmente falso que se pudiera piratear solo las taquillas, siempre se pudo abrir el 100% de canales emitidos.
Digital+ NO gana NADA con que se le pireatee, puesto que los decodificadores son libres, las instalaciones particulares y la señal llega "del cielo", no hay porque darse de alta en ningun lado para disfrutar del 100% de la programacion de manera "no legal".
Podria darte la razon a tus conclusiones con empresas como Euskaltel, en la que no han evitado de ninguna manera el pirateo, ya que la gente se daba de alta para conseguir tener el cable en casa, y el deco oficial....hasta que la comunidad hacker, ha puesto en circulacion decos no oficiales...y la gente a comenzado a engancharse al cable por sus medios, sin darse de alta ni como cliente...
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quemasda, at 5:01 p. m.
estoy con bonoman.
partes de dos premisas erroneas, la primera que VD tuviera más abonados que CSD, lo cual es falso, yo era abonado de VD cuando empezó todo lo de la piratería, y el paquete básico de CSD eran unos 30 € mientras que los listos de VD bajaron la cuota del paquete básico a 9 €, el núemero de abonados de VD empezó a crecer y se fusionaron, pero los sistemas de seguridad seguían siendo diferentes.
ahora no te hace falta estar dado de alta para ver la señal de D+, con un deco libre y el software necesario más las flores se puede ver todo.
un saludo.
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bacua, at 5:08 p. m.
Enterate un poquillo de como va el tema
En primer lugar VD jamas ha tenido mas abonados que CSD, recuerdo que la princiio, la diferencia era de un (csd( frente a 200.000 (VD)
llego a la cuspide de 1,5 millones (csd) frente a 300.000 (vd)
en el momento de la fucion estaban bastante igualados, pero nunca fue superior VD a CSD
En segundo lugar Telefonica, sigue teniendo su 40 % de Digital +, es falso eso que dices que telefnica se ha desentendido de digital+, lo que ocurre que como sogecable tiene el 60 restante toma todas las decisiones sin necesitar consenso
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Anónimo, at 5:34 p. m.
bueno y si al abrir su señal nos llama la atencion el paquete y jnos enganchamos a sus series y despues en epocas d apagon no podemos vivir sin ver la tele xq estamos enganchados?
se de personas a las q les ocurre esto y en la instalacion que luego usa el proveedor es la casera hecha por el usuario solo cambiando el deco aorrando tbn unos eurillos en la parabola(minimo pero...) si no es negocio enganchar a nuevo publico para que se abone...., de hecho eso es la publicidad, pasa coimo cn google al acer que las cuentas solo puedan hacerse por invitacion, esta en voca de todos, y con el digital pasa lo mismo tbn si se pede piratear la gente habla tbn d el viste ayer la serie de la fox... y obiamente si te quieres abonar pa ver la tv y conoces al operador aunque sea por haberlo pirateado, te vas a arriesgar a abonnarte cn otro pudiendo no tener una calidad de servicio similar???? aunq cueste mas terminamos pagando la marca, pasa cn el corte ingl..., y cn la tv xq digi esta mas en voca de todos y eso es PUBLICIDAD(pensarlo cuando te preguntan por un operador de tv d pago es el primero q se t pasa por la cabeza, y la gente q no conoce muchos operadores de la competencia pos mas aun
siento el chorizo pero es mi opinion
saludos
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Anónimo, at 6:49 p. m.
Hola
Por lo que veo no tienes mucha idea del tema, el "pirateo" de la señal de CSD existía mucho, pero que mucho antes que VIA, cuando la competencia no existia.
Existe otra explicación a la tuya, y es que los sistemas de encriptación tienen una vida como todo y de vez en cuando deben ser renobados.
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Anónimo, at 7:18 p. m.
La unica plataforma que tal vez gano algo con el pirateo, fue Via Digital, en los inicios del pirateo ya que no habia decos que soportaran nagra en akellos tiempos. Hasta que llego humax y mas tarde cualquier FTA...
Recuerdos de HSA y 12MonKEY ;)
xD
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Anónimo, at 9:33 p. m.
Ohhhhhh HSA.... que pena cuando dejé de leeros... como me guatava aquella época... Rom2, Frodo, Darkman, y todos los que me dejo en el tintero.
Recuerdos de otro ex-Hsa y ex-Zackyfilero xDD
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Anónimo, at 8:41 a. m.
Desde luego que a D+ le interesa que se piratee su señal. En un escenario con competencia, es posible obtener beneficio si se consigue debilitar a al adversario hasta hacerlo desaparecer o haciendo que se alíe contigo, en este caso, esto se hace evitando que aumenten su cuota de mercado, (nadie se abona a una compañia, si hay otra que se puede piratear) y una compañia que empieza no puede permanecer mucho tiempo sin un numero suficiente de clientes.
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Anónimo, at 10:40 p. m.
Bueno, en definitivas cuentas creo que todo el mundo tiene claro que pillar una señal codificada y 'reventarla', o mejor dicho sacarle provecho por la patilla, no beneficia a su propietario, más bien lo perjudica al comerle posibles clientes.
De todas formas, yo pienso que el problema es de base, al igual que pasó con Sony con su PlayStation y otros productos que han sido sometidos a todo tipo de 'destripes' que son los precios de los 'consumibles'.
En el caso de la PlayStation su propietario no sale perjudicado por su 'adaptación' a lo no-legal, ya que Sony se ha beneficiado BRUTALMENTE de las copias ilegales de juegos, ya que esto provocó la venta masiva de máquinas. Si Nintendo en vez de utilizar 'cartuchos' en sus consolas hubiera utilizado Cd hoy en día no existiría la Play. Estoy 100% seguro.
En la otra cara de la Luna, el Ppv no se beneficia para nada de ello, ya que su negocio no es vender máquinas. Para eso estan los 20/30 fabricantes que hacen las máquinas para que se puedan 'adaptar' y hacer su agosto.
Creo sinceramente que si Digital+ no cobrara lo que cobra por ver una pelicula o un partido (12€) y lo pusiera a un precio más asequible para la renta de los españoles, más de uno como el que escribe estas líneas no se preocuparia por buscar claves ni nada por el estilo.
Salu2 y suerT
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Anónimo, at 8:11 p. m.
como q no se beneficia por tener a gente conectada gratis???? vamos a veer, si saben donde te encuentras con tu tlf movil, das la señal del gps, etc, no van a tener forma de saber una estimacion de la gente q lo pilla por la cara?? aparte claro esta de mirar los balcones y azoteas del vecindario??, la television de donde obtiene sus beneficios?? de la publicidad, si sabes q cierto partido tiene x millones de espectadores puedes vender el segundo de anuncio por un ojo de la cara y quien quiere ese servicio lo sabe.
quien compra una pelicula de taquilla cuando la tienes en el video club para alquilar y ver cuando quieras sin limite de veces ni horario??? si me apuras la copias en casa y listo
en españa esta claro q vende el futbol y hasta q no cambien de dueño los derechos de retransmision lo q tenemos es esto.
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Anónimo, at 9:07 p. m.
Respecto al ultimo post...
Has dicho una solemne tontería.
No se si piensas eso porque la señal es, en vez de analógica, digital y porque, quizás, has visto muchas veces la película de Enemigo público con Will Smith o alguna otra de ciencia-ficción.
Un teléfono móvil puede ser localizado porque existe un protocolo para establecer la comunicación entre éste y los repetidores, y el propio móvil, como todo el mundo sabe, además de recibir señales las emite.
Pero un decodificador no puede emitir, míralo a ver si encuentras alguna antena en el aparato. Si lo piensas un poco, está conectado mediante una clavija a una antena parabólica.
Espera... ya lo entiendo... es eso!!!
Joder, no me había dado cuenta hasta ahora, la antena parabólica difunde las señales que emite el deco para que lo reciban los satélites, así nos controlan.
Jajajajajaja
Un saludo a tod@s.
Nota: La próxima entrega de esta historia se publicará en un blog de ciencia-ficción.
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Anónimo, at 11:58 p. m.
Soy el del primer comentario.
Muchos de vosotros entendeis de electronica o habeis leido en algún foro de como se piratea el D+ o como se hacia, etc, etc, etc...
Pero esta claro que sabeis muy poco de Publicidad y Marketing.
Para vender algo no basta con haberlo vendido. Me explico: hace falta algo más: la marca, la fidelización...
La pirateia es una parte importante de la marca y una gran herramienta de fidelización.
Como decia en primer post ser pirateado "da cache" a la marca: todas las grandes marcas tienen su antonimo pirata, pero pocas como D+ tienen la gran posibilidad de controlar su pirateo y utilizarlo como la gran arma de fidelización que en realidad es.
Gucci no puede controlar sus bolsos piratas, pero D+ sí puede, abrir y cerrar el grifo cuando quiere y sabe perfectamente cuando hacerlo, creerme.
Me encantaria poder ver las cifras de nuevos abonados de los tres últimos meses con el alta a 6€ y a 1€ este último mes... Seguro que en la tarta de altas, un porcentaje bastante alto corresponde a los piratas "quemados" de tanto cambio de claves...
Es muy posible que todo empezara con algún currante quemado que abriera el sistema, pero en mi opinion ese currante dio en la clave para hacer más fuerte a D+.
Salu2!
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Anónimo, at 10:03 a. m.
Gracias a todos por la amena lectura. No entiendo mucho del tema y me interesa porque vivo en el extranjero (morriña). Tengo algunas preguntas para gente preparada como vosotros:
Se puede pillar del extranjero?
Cual es el mejor decodificador actual calidad-precio?
Cada cuanto tiempo cambian las claves: minutos, horas, dias, antes de eventos importantes?
Bueno el examen creo que es facil y seguro que nos ayuda a mas de uno.
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Anónimo, at 4:58 p. m.
¿Y qué me dicen de la publicidad? Cada vez hay más publicidad en los canales de la plataforma. ¿No creeis que a los anunciantes les beneficia la piratería al aumentar el número de telespectadores?
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Anónimo, at 11:56 a. m.
Estoy con el anónimo del primer comentario.
Canal+ aumentó de repente en 300.000 nuevos abonados. En apenas 6 meses pasó de 500 a 800 mil abonados, coincidiendo con una etapa primera de permisividad hacia el pirateo, con lo cual todo el mundo cogía el paquete básico y pirateaba todo lo demás, para después cambiar continuamente las claves y desmotivar al usuario estándar, para entonces ya enganchado a su producto (no es de extrañar viendo la bazofia de la tele convencional).
Los que no os creéis esta teoría, porque pensáis que habéis sido vosotros los crackers que habéis puteado a D+ y demás, qué inocentes ... Pensad en esto ¿por qué el paquete de software más usado en el mundo ha sido y es el Microsoft Office? Como dice un anuncio "los que necesiten más tiempo para responder ya han respondido ..."
Saludos
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Anónimo, at 3:36 p. m.
para el que preguntaba como en el movil podían y en la parabolica no, es más sencillo que lo que contaban arriba.
El telefono movil, es un dispositivo BIDIRECCIONAL, cada movil, por culpa del roaming de estaciones, siempre le ENVIA a la estacion mas proxima su situación, la estacion es capaz de subirle la potencia al movil para que tenga mas cobertura.
El satelite es UNIDIRECCIONAL, solo recibe, es imposible detectar quien esta leyendo la señal, existe comunicacion BIDIRECCIONAL, pero se necesita una parabola y 'aparato' especial para este cometido.
Como saben el sharing las cadenas?, muy sencillo, le ponen un aparatillo en unas cuantas casas, el cual SI le monitorea en que cadena estan, y de esos pocos sacan una estadistica.
salud!
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Unknown, at 1:22 p. m.
Buenas
No soy un experto en estos temas pero me han parecido muy interesantes todos los puntos de vista emitidos.
Hay un aspecto que no se ha tratado y por ello lo planteo : la importancia que tiene el echo de tener audiencia ,no solo desde el punto de vista comercial , también desde el de la capacidad de crear opinión.
Me ha llamado mucho la atención el revuelo que se ha creado con esta ultima "guerra del fútbol" , aunque no me ha sorprendido . El echo es que ha tenido repercusiones más allá de lo que cabria esperar si solo se tratase de intereses económicos .Ver al propio Felipe González templando gaítas y hablando de "fuego amigo" da idea que la cosa tiene un calado más profundo que el mero echo de retransmitir un partido.
Y es que sí creo , como ya se ha apuntado , que fidelizar a una audiencia . Hacer que te acostumbres a una cadena que sus presentadores te sean familiares, sus opiniones respetadas e incuestionables (si lo ha dicho Fulanito es verdad) se convierte en la clave del poder y como por desgracia mucha gente deja que otros piensen por el ...
Un saludo
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Anónimo, at 3:48 p. m.
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R.A.P., at 3:28 a. m.
Eso que Via Digital estaba ganando la batalla a CSD creo que es bastante discutible a pesar del trato de favor del gobierno hacía una de las plataformas con el asunto de los descodificadores.
Pienso que los códigos salían de dentro y la subida de cuota básica que sufrío CSD en pleno boom del pirateo ha que me reafirme en este planteamiento.
El problema con la TV digital en este país pienso que ha sido el uso político que se le dió.
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Anónimo, at 1:32 a. m.
Bueno, pues sí que se hechan de menos esos tiempos. Pero como todo, las cosas cambian... Esos tiempos fueron bonitos, divertidos, y como no, sirvieron para aprender mucho.
Y nada, buscando mi "antiguo" nick por el google aparecí aquí, y veo que otro ex-compañero del HSA Team ha publicado pues yo me animo también.
Aquí "Rom2" manda un saludo a todos los de aquella época y la presente, actualmente retirado de todo eso...
Un saludo en especial para Rino, DarkMan, Frodo, CRSoftFMV.... Buf que recuerdos joder!
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